What’s Blood Got to Do, Got to Do With It?
This is actually an advertisement for laundry detergent.
I guess this guy never has to even do laundry because I assume only women are responsible for the purchase of the precious powder of cleanliness.
Woe to that woman who chooseth not the right soap, for she puts her family at risk for disease and pestilence!
I better treat my Tide with more respect!
I knew it kept my clothes smelling spring-time fresh, but I never knew it was keeping me alive!
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This story will be familiar to the readers of Emergiblog. I’m giving a different take on it here, and if you sense a bit of “snarkiness”, it is purely intentional.
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Got something on your chest?
I mean, does it ever feel like you’ve got something on your chest?
LIke……oh…..pressure? Aching? Indigestion? Twinge of nausea?
While you are just sitting and reading?
Concerned enough that you take an aspirin an hour after onset?
Concerned enough that you actually go to the ER after three hours because it is a nagging, unrelenting discomfort?
A wee bit clammy en route? Just a tad?
Concerned because at the age of 48, you have already been diagnosed with high blood pressure, high cholesterol?
That your father died a sudden death at age of 62 of heart related issues (after blowing out his entire right cerebral hemisphere three weeks prior)?
That you are considered by the “charts” to be “morbidly obese” (how rude!), that you have a BMI that puts Joe Montana’s pass completion record to shame? And, with the exception of running your butt off about 36 hours a week in an ER as a nurse, you have not exercised since you could fit in a leotard for Jazzercize?
Concerned that your EKGs are consistently abnormal in that you have no R waves in thre anterior chest leads with a follow up echocardiogram showing mild left ventricular hypertrophy (a big heart…awww) and the fact that at rest, your ventricles do not “relax” like they should?
Concerned that maybe, just maybe, all these things might lead you to believe that the pain that will not change and does not leave might be cardiac?
Are you a woman?
Then prepare yourself.
You will not be taken seriously.
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Oh, the ER will did all the right things. They brought me in to triage quickly and found me a room and hooked me up to the monitor and grabbed an EKG.
All the while I will be gave them my history and medications. If you are an ER nurse like I am you will rattle off your history, medications and symptoms of your present illness like a pro. Not an extraneous word in the entire history.
No anxiety shown externally, you do this every day. No histrionics here. You didn’t rush in at the first sign of discomfort. You took the aspirin just in case. You know the score.
You’re cool, calm, collected and you even brought a book to read, knowing it would be hours before you were released.
Sinus Rhythm (that’s normal beating, to the uninitiated). No ectopy(extra beats). Slightly elevated BP. To be expected under the circumstances. Oxygen. All routine.
Then in walks the ER doc.
He sits down, looks at my EKG and tells me it is normal. (At that point he had no old record to see that the R wave progression abnormality was “normal” for me.)
Right then and there he writes me off. You can see it in his eyes.
Without laying a hand on me and without palpating my abdomen, he tells me this is a gastrointestinal problem. After all, you naughty girl, you have been taking ibuprofen for your back.
Then he listened to my lungs, my heart sounds and my bowel sounds (down around my belly button/umbilicus/navel/innie)
Thank goodness for small favors.
He smirks when I mention I might have a sensitivity to nitrates (almost fainted when I got in the way of a Nitrospray once! That’s a story for the other blog….) and says he has no intention of “going there”.
That took all of 90 seconds.
“Could be gallbladder,” he opines.
(Gee, in all my years of ER, I have never seen someone with cholecystitis present with left anterior chest pain radiating to the left scapula and shoulder with left arm heaviness. And a painfree abdomen, by the way.)
My goodness, they are teaching ultrasonic vision in med schools now! Never mind that this is the most atypical pain for gallbladder I’ve ever heard of.
So, Maalox and Protonix. The new standard of care for chest pain! I knew the AHA was changing some protocols, but wow!
Forty minutes later, as the pain is localized in my left shoulder and my left arm remains heavy, Ultrasonic ER Doc pops his head back in and says that it must be musculoskeletal pain.
Um…………okay………….
So I get IV Toradol. Wonderful! An anti-inflammatory for a gastrointestinal disturbance turned musculoskeletal.
Two hours later, five to six hours after onset, I am finally pain free.
This means I have earned another sixty seconds of Ultrasonic ER Doc’s time. During which he tells me my repeat EKG is unchanged, this is not cardiac and he has talked to my regular physician.
Thank God. Because you see, I really was a bit anxious.
And then he said the words that pissed me off more than anything else.
“After all, you have no risk factors.”
Pardon my language, but WTF?
Had I been a man of the same age with the same risk factors I would have been kept at least over night and given a stress test the next day.
How do I know?
Because I work in one of the top cardiac centers in the Bay Area. And we don’t write off women with chest pain.
I know that the doctor I saw at local-ER-with-trauma-center wrote me off because I am female.
And no, before you think that I’m a card-carrying feminist who sees anti-women bias in a cup of tea leaves, that is not the case.
Ever read Dr. Helen?
And if my family history and personal health issues weren’t enough to evoke concern in an ER physician, then……
What’s “blood” got to do with it?



with that history Kim, I would have kept you for a rule out. Woman or not!
Comment by dribear — May 20, 2024 @ 4:31 pm
Oh…this frustrates (and worries!) me terribly. I feel I have to dust off my feminist high-horse (she sits around unused…you know: you get on the high horse, you get tired, no one brings you a ladder to help you down, blahblahblah). This was just so blatant, it’s shocking. The idea that women are treated unequally isn’t news…but in the ER? I would have thought that was the ONE place where someone would listen carefully and pull out all the stops to make sure my health wasn’t in jeopardy.
Even with your history they assumed anxiety and sent you home? Without a stress test?
Pathetic. Infuriating. Typical.
Comment by missbhavens — May 20, 2024 @ 9:48 pm
Hey there! Nice new blog you have here! I will be “exploring” it to the maximum as I hope that you do my two… That you were treated so badly by the ER doesn’t surprise me. I’ve been doing clinicals in our Fast track and I see it down there as well.. I hope you are doing much better. Cheers from another “morbidly obese nurse” from The Nurse Practitioner’s Place
Comment by NPs Save Lives — May 22, 2024 @ 4:38 am
So you’re taking on a second blog - perhaps your first post should have been “What’s Sleep Got To Do With It?”
I’ve added a link to my sidebar and will no doubt be a frequent visitor.
Nice job Nurse Kim.
Comment by Rita Schwab — May 23, 2024 @ 2:59 am
Hey Kim, I love the new blob - esp. the logo. What happened to you in that ED is just downright scary. Before I was a nurse I was leary of the healthcare system. Now that I’m inside it I am downright terrified of it.
With my IVF woes, I too am starting to think I could have enough material to start a patient blog (although most of the material seems to be sitting in my head.)
Comment by pixelrn — May 23, 2024 @ 8:16 am
Oh, and just think of it this way - Insignificant microbe by day, marauding marsupial by night! (since you work nights) Kind of like a superhero.
Comment by pixelrn — May 23, 2024 @ 8:18 am
My partner waited 5 days before someone correctly diagnosed severe mid back pain, nausea, and difficulty breathing as a trapped gallstone. The doctor who finally removed the gallstone told us the initial explanation we gave the paramedics was ‘classic’ for trapped gallstones. If the doctor had not been told ‘panick attack’ he should have recognised the classic explanation of onset of symptoms.
The A&E staff, who didn’t triage her for over an hour in an empty A&E. We were told “Go home, you’re wasting our time, your breathing is normal, the pain is in your head”. We didn’t leave because we hoped the doctor would listen to us. Despite doing a full examination, he concluded that she had ‘twisted her back’ and had a panic attack because of it…
I never got up the courage to ask if they thought leaving a ’suspected’ panic attacked young woman in an overly-lit, big room, with no one in it while the TV blared Hoobs at 90dB+ (I could hear it 4m away without my hearing aid) was a good idea!
Two days later the pain and breathing problems had not changed, we had had no sleep and severe nausea had occured. My partner’s GP refused to examine her, literally poking her in the back with 1 finger before gleefully announing “Back strain - here have 100 diclofenac”. Upon description of the nausea, he responded by laughing in our faces and told her to “drink a glass of water, and don’t come back for a week”. 30 mins after we got home, she vomited violently - she was scared to go back to anyone medical.
3 days after that we went to a walkin centre as it opened at 8am, as the symptoms had not changed and she was having difficulty keeping fluids down. The nurses there listened to everything we said, agreed that 5 days of pain, breathing problems and inability to eat were worrying. A doctor saw her, examined her carefully and noticed her liver was distended. Her eyes were going yellow - which I hadn’t noticed. She hadn’t noticed colour changes in her urine because she was so ‘out of it’ and being colourblind it wasn’t as ‘obvious’.
Once the GP started querying liver, people took her and I seriously. Blood tests revealed liver enzymes out of whack. She hadn’t eaten for 4 days, and they were very worried about her potassium levels which were very low.
Still, no one told us anything conclusive, until the day before the untrasound (two days after hospital admission). It was only because I cornered a nurse after shift change (and briefing) that I got what the doctors were thinking. On the day of admission someone had mentioned pancreatitis, which I know is serious, but no one said they’d ruled that out with blood-tests.
In addition our difficulties hearing proved to be something the doctors (but not nurses) struggled to understand. As my partner was ‘out-of-it’ she was relying on me to listen to what the doctors said, and ask sensible questions.
All but two of the doctors resented me asking them to speak louder and face me, they definitely didn’t like being asked to repeat themselves. This was after I explained who I was (partner), and why they needed to face me (deafness). My partner also confirmed that I was the ’spokesperson’ to avoid data protection issues.
The nurses on the other hand were excellent, they would repeat things, write things down when we couldn’t understand their accent (African, Indian), and they always faced me - looking me in the eye. The auxilliary (I don’t know the modern UK name for them) nurse who was assigned to my partner’s room was excellent - and was happy to chase down the elusive nurses who were allowed to change IV bags. Listening to the bleep for 30 minutes is very annoying!
Comment by Natalya — May 23, 2024 @ 9:37 am
Well, if it was a Bay Area ER WITH trauma center, at least it wasn’t the hospital that I work at! Whew!
I love your new blog and it has been buttoned and added to my sidebar. See if your webguy can make you a nicer button
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Comment by geena — May 23, 2024 @ 12:37 pm
Hiya Kim!
Glad to see your new blog up and running! Tomorrow when I’m more awake, I will add a link to NeoNurseChic for this one! Wanted to add one more comment about not being taken seriously as a woman with cardiac issues….
I am 25, but I was diagnosed with hypertension at age 20. Initially, I went on inderal, but then was on verapamil for several years (which had the added benefit of treating migraine and cluster headaches), and now I’m on atenolol. After getting off verap, I wasn’t planning on needing a new med, but then at one point my blood pressure was 150/109 and my heart rate was pretty high.
My issue is that I’m young and thin and female. A few years ago, I was in the cardiac ICU on a lidocaine drip when my blood pressure and heart rate had skyrocketed. I remember hearing the nurse comment in the hall, “I can’t believe I’m giving a beta blocker to a 22 year old!” And boy did I need it…
However, when I was transferred to the step-down unit, my neurologist consulted with cardiology because my resting heart rate was above 100 and I often had palpitations and some ectopic beats present a decent amount of the time. After days of cardiology not showing up, my neuro dug to the root of the problem. They told him that they weren’t concerned with tachycardia in a 22 year old.
Nice… so when I’m 40 and my heart is halfway to beating itself out and much less adaptable to change…….then you’ll care? Glad to know it…!
Last year, I ended up having several episodes of SVT while in cardiac step-down again, except we never figured out the true reason why my heart rate kept shooting up to 200 or so. The episodes were brief enough not to require good ole adenosine, but they kept coming back and back. After that hospital stay, I wound up in the ER for a severe reaction to mexiletine after 2 abnormal EKGs. I still waited over 3.5 hours for a cardiac bed and lost the ability to speak for myself (was awake but delusional from the medication - toxicity!) shortly after being brought to the back. Nobody had been taking my complaints seriously about more rapid heart rate and this time, low BP.
Then came the most recent incident where I was in the ER for another reason and we found out my BP and heart rate were very high. Heart rate was over 140 most of the time, and it wasn’t at all from anxiety. The ER doc said it was from pain and anxiety, and I said it was not. They said they weren’t concerned about it. I went to my family doctor the next day, and he told me my heart rate and BP were fine now and basically implied it was all in my head. He did do a holter monitor, and it found several episodes of HR in the 140s - even in the middle of the night, where it woke me up as I hit the event button. And now I’m on the atenolol. And I have a new primary doctor, too - one who takes me seriously.
My grandfather died from a PE at age 51. I myself have already had 2 DVTs in my left arm. Everyone in my family has hypertension, irregardless of height, weight, gender, age, etc. And yet - I continue to have a difficult time in having health care providers take me seriously….
Sorry that was so long! Just wanted to add my story about what happens when you don’t “fit the profile” yet have a very strong family history plus clinical signs that things aren’t right!
Hugz,
Carrie
Comment by Carrie (NeoNurseChic) — May 24, 2024 @ 12:25 am
Uhhhm, don’t even get me started on not being taken seriously in an ER. Fat girl has a headache and personality change - probably faking.
Comment by Fat Doctor — May 24, 2024 @ 6:50 am
Welcome to my world. Where every female who isn’t obviously 20 months pregnant or covered in track marks shows up to the ER, only to have 4 or more condesending buttheads throw out 6 or more stupid theories while refusing to run tests.
What was it really that started the downward progression of our health care system? Arrongance? Greed? The fact that today’s doctors are mostly of the group who’s parents praised them for things as small as chewing their own food?
What’s the point in having top notch docs and equipment if only 1% of the population gets to use them?
Love the new place!!
Comment by radtec — May 24, 2024 @ 9:29 am
Oh forgot one other comment as I reread this post and felt my own BP rising just thinking of certain instances… A few years ago, I had persistent chest pain for several days in a row. It was keeping me up at night and I was having some trouble breathing. My mom took me to the urgent care center. The doctor there lectured me on all the meds I was taking (as prescribed by my neurologist) and told me to get off the meds, go home and take some robitussin, and “get out and enjoy the outdoors. Don’t stay inside because there’s nothing wrong with you.” Bastard. I was going home to sleep because I had been up all night long with chest pain!
It was costochondritis - my neurologist diagnosed it when I saw him later that week and had me take motrin for several days until it resolved.
Chest pains? Take robitussin! Grrrr…………..
Comment by Carrie (NeoNurseChic) — May 24, 2024 @ 1:14 pm
I’m reading this new blog backwards.
Soooo….
To not have drawn a CK/CPK/troponin is, in my larval opinion, really bad medicine. OK, so the doc didn’t think anything pathologic about your odd R-waves (do you also have left-axis deviation?) and probably didn’t think MI off the bat because he saw no ST elevation, yatta yatta. But for the love of Mary, you DID have an aypical ECG with hx of the same…it wasn’t like you had a textbook perfect ECG that cast complete doubt on everything…how can they not draw the labs?
But what I’m really shocked at is that you thought all this was because you are a woman. I can’t put myself in your shoes obviously, but as soon as I was thinking, “Um, why would she jump to that conclusion just because she got yet another inattentive doctor?” I read all the comments that yelled the same sentiment.
Other than perhaps the crusty old physician of yore, I wouldn’t have expected that any kind of systematic sexism still exists in viewing patients. Do you think that’s the case across the board or just in acute/emergency care settings? I would understand deflection and defensiveness because you were a nurse (an ED one at that) rather than because you were a woman.
Fascinating, but sad. Other than gender-based objective risk/physiological factors (hormones, anatomy, etc), I can’t even wrap my brain around how a physician can make a distinction between a man and a woman suffering the same set of problems.
Comment by enrico — June 9, 2024 @ 1:31 pm